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02/21/2007 08:30 AM House FISHERIES


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08:41:24 AM Overview: Sea Grant Crab Enhancement Project/alutiq Pride Hatchery
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON FISHERIES                                                                            
                       February 21, 2007                                                                                        
                           8:41 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kyle Johansen                                                                                                    
Representative Craig Johnson                                                                                                    
Representative Gabrielle LeDoux                                                                                                 
Representative Bryce Edgmon                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Paul Seaton, Chair                                                                                               
Representative Peggy Wilson                                                                                                     
Representative Lindsey Holmes                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
^OVERVIEW:  SEA GRANT CRAB ENHANCEMENT PROJECT/ALUTIQ PRIDE                                                                     
HATCHERY                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BRIAN ALLEE, Ph.D., Director                                                                                                    
Alaska Sea Grant                                                                                                                
School of Fisheries and Ocean Sciences                                                                                          
University of Alaska Fairbanks                                                                                                  
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented Sea Grant Crab Enhancement                                                                       
Project overview.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
JEFF HETRICK, Director                                                                                                          
Alutiiq Pride Shellfish Hatchery                                                                                                
Moose Pass, Alaska                                                                                                              
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented Alutiiq Pride Shellfish Hatchery                                                                 
overview.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
HEATHER MCCARTY, Central Bering Sea Fishermen's Association                                                                     
(CBSFA)                                                                                                                         
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Offered comments  regarding the  Sea Grant                                                               
Enhancement Project.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ARNI THOMSON, Executive Director                                                                                                
Alaska Crab Coalition;                                                                                                          
United Fishermen of Alaska (UFA)                                                                                                
Seattle, Washington                                                                                                             
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Offered comments  regarding the  Sea Grant                                                               
Enhancement Project.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                              
REPRESENTATIVE KYLE  JOHANSEN called the House  Special Committee                                                             
on Fisheries  meeting to  order at  8:41:09 AM.   Representatives                                                             
Johnson, LeDoux, and Edgmon were present at the call to order.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
^OVERVIEW:    SEA  GRANT CRAB  ENHANCEMENT  PROJECT/ALUTIQ  PRIDE                                                             
HATCHERY                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:41:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOHANSEN   announced  that  the  only   order  of                                                               
business would  be to hear  an overview  from the Sea  Grant Crab                                                               
Enhancement  Project   in  conjunction  with  the   Alutiq  Pride                                                               
Hatchery.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
BRIAN  ALLEE,  Ph.D.,  Director,  Alaska  Sea  Grant,  School  of                                                               
Fisheries  and Ocean  Sciences, University  of Alaska  Fairbanks,                                                               
began by  directing attention to  handouts entitled  "Alaska King                                                               
Crab  Research  and  Rehabilitation Program,"  and  "Alaska  Crab                                                               
Stock  Enhancement  and   Rehabilitation  Workshop  Proceedings."                                                               
Alaska Sea  Grant's web  site also offers  a number  of documents                                                               
regarding the king crab initiative.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:43:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.   ALLEE,   referring   to   a   slide   presentation   titled                                                               
"Presentation  to  the  Alaska  State  House  of  Representatives                                                               
Special  Committee on  Fisheries, Brian  Allee, Ph.D.,  Director,                                                               
Alaska  Sea  Grant, University  of  Alaska  Fairbanks, School  of                                                               
Fisheries   and  Ocean   Sciences,  Alaska   Sea  Grant   Program                                                               
Assessment,  September 2006,"  stated that  one of  the strategic                                                               
goals of the  Alaska Sea Grant Program is to  enhance and improve                                                               
the profitability and viability  of Alaska's commercial fisherman                                                               
and fishing  communities.  Alaska's  Sea Grant program is  one of                                                               
30  in  the  United  States.   He  explained  that  this  program                                                               
develops   and  supports   research,  education,   and  extension                                                               
programs, in order to implement  research in coastal communities.                                                               
This program is  directed at coastal communities,  in the marine,                                                               
estuarine  environment, and  the  coastal  watersheds of  Alaska.                                                               
Moving on  to Slide 4,  he explained  that this is  a "grassroots                                                               
initiative," with regard to king  crab rehabilitation.  Fishermen                                                               
from Kodiak and  Pribilof Island requested that  Alaska Sea Grant                                                               
convene  an  international  workshop  in March  of  2006.    This                                                               
meeting resulted  in a consensus  for Alaska to pursue  king crab                                                               
ocean  ranching.   He explained  the process  of ocean  ranching,                                                               
noting that  this is different  from ocean farming.   He compared                                                               
this to salmon  ocean ranching, and noted that the  state has the                                                               
largest  salmon  ocean  ranching  program in  the  world.    This                                                               
program is run  by private, non-profit organizations.   He stated                                                               
that this could possibly be  implemented across the state.  These                                                               
proceedings have been published.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:46:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.  ALLEE  went  on  to  say that  the  Steering  Committee  has                                                               
expressed enthusiasm.   He said that it is  "pretty exciting when                                                               
you get  a number  of coastal  communities and  fisherman groups,                                                               
and people  interested in initiatives  such as this."   Referring                                                               
to   a   handout   titled  "Alaska   King   Crab   Research   and                                                               
Rehabilitation  Program,"  he  said  that  this  shows  that  the                                                               
fishery  was a  "boom and  bust" system.   Kodiak  has not  had a                                                               
fishery in  20 years,  and in  the Pribilof  Islands it  has been                                                               
less than ten  years.  The motivation is to  try and rehabilitate                                                               
stocks  that  are  not  recovering.     Returning  to  the  slide                                                               
presentation, he  stated that  scientific partnerships  are being                                                               
developed.  He then detailed  these partnerships.  He pointed out                                                               
significant  research   initiatives,  which  include   king  crab                                                               
culture   technology   transfer   from   National   Oceanic   and                                                               
Atmospheric  Administration  fisheries   and  the  University  of                                                               
Massachusetts, genetic mass marketing,  and graduate and research                                                               
technicians.  In regard to genetics, he said:                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     One  of the  more exciting  aspects of  the program  is                                                                    
     working on the genetics  of these crab populations, and                                                                    
     characterizing  the   parent  population   where  we're                                                                    
     obtaining  brood stocks.   We've  got brood  stock from                                                                    
     Alitak Bay in Kodiak [for  red king crab], and ... from                                                                    
     the  Pribilof Islands  for blue  king crab.  ... Taking                                                                    
     the  brood stock  in their  native habitat,  15 females                                                                    
     are  down at  the hatchery  at  this time.   So,  we're                                                                    
     characterizing  -   and  will   be  overtime   -  those                                                                    
     populations.   And then, we're  going to  fingerprint -                                                                    
     or genotype  - the hatchery  juveniles.  And  that will                                                                    
     effectively  be a  mass-mark.   It's very  important to                                                                    
     have that  ... capability, so  that we can  monitor the                                                                    
     success of this  program over time.  And  see how these                                                                    
     hatchery-produced, ocean  ranched juveniles, contribute                                                                    
     to the fishery and survive.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:50:57 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.  ALLEE  went on  to  say  that  the Alutiiq  Pride  Shellfish                                                               
Hatchery  is  the  only  shellfish  hatchery  in  Alaska.    This                                                               
hatchery   has   hatchery   expertise,  culture   equipment   and                                                               
facilities, and  algal and artemia  cultures.  He  then discussed                                                               
the status  and future approach  of the  hatchery.  The  red king                                                               
crab  females  are  currently  hatching,  while  blue  king  crab                                                               
females  are expected  in 1-2  months.   He  explained the  three                                                               
phases of  future growth:   larval culture; nursery  culture; and                                                               
post release stimulation of wild out-stocking.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:55:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.  ALLEE  then discussed  the  program  budget.   The  existing                                                               
budget includes "bootstrap contributions"  of $226 thousand, with                                                               
$303 thousand  in obligated funds  for fiscal year 2008  (FY 08).                                                               
The legislature provided funding  for the Alutiiq Pride Shellfish                                                               
Hatchery for a total of $75 thousand  in FY 07, and a request was                                                               
made for  $250 thousand  for FY  08.   The FY  08 request  is for                                                               
multiple  species; however,  $120 thousand  is for  blue and  red                                                               
king crab.   Additionally, there  is a congressional  request for                                                               
over $1 million.   In total, this is a  three-year program, using                                                               
$2.5 million to get the program started.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:57:40 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON asked  whether this is part  of the Seward                                                               
Sea Life Center.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DR. ALLEE  replied that this is  a separate facility.   He stated                                                               
there will  be an open house  at the shellfish hatchery  on March                                                               
24, 2007, which legislators are invited to attend.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:58:43 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JEFF HETRICK, Director, Alutiiq  Pride Shellfish Hatchery, stated                                                               
that  he would  be discussing  the crab  project and  how it  has                                                               
progressed over the  past 6 months.  The  hatchery received brood                                                               
stock from  the Kodiak area in  July of the previous  year, which                                                               
is  being held  at the  Seward Marine  Center.   Brood stock  was                                                               
received from  the Pribilof Islands  in November.  The  crabs are                                                               
currently  being  moved from  the  Seward  Marine Center  to  the                                                               
Shellfish  Hatchery.   The Alutiiq  Pride Shellfish  Hatchery was                                                               
constructed  from  criminal  settlement   money  from  the  Exxon                                                               
Valdez.  There was a year-long  site planning process.  He stated                                                               
that originally, the  hatchery was also to be  a research center,                                                               
and  was to  be called  the Mariculture  Technical Center  (MTC).                                                               
The intention was to have a  portion of the facility dedicated to                                                               
research  on  emergent  species,  which might  someday  fuel  the                                                               
mariculture industry in Alaska.   In reality, the hatchery itself                                                               
has  functioned as  the  MTC, with  no  real research  component.                                                               
This  project utilizes  the  MTC space,  which  helps to  augment                                                               
funding shortages  that have been  faced for the past  ten years,                                                               
as well  as maximizing the  production of  the facility.   In the                                                               
past  4-5   months,  he   said,  two   crab  modules   have  been                                                               
constructed.  The blue king crab  and red king crab are separated                                                               
due  to requirements  of the  Alaska  Department of  Fish &  Game                                                               
(ADF&G).  The hatchery is focusing  on taking the methods used in                                                               
Kodiak, and  applying these  to a larger  scale.   Several groups                                                               
are involved in  the project.  He stated that  the goals are two-                                                               
fold.  The  research will be applied to a  larger scale, and mass                                                               
culture will be considered.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:04:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HETRICK,  in  response to  a  question  from  Representative                                                               
Edgmon, stated that the permitting  process is often contentious,                                                               
but  the transport  permits were  received for  moving the  crab.                                                               
The  current  permits  do  not  allow  for  the  release  of  the                                                               
juveniles,  as  it  is  not  known  how  they  will  behave  once                                                               
released.  There are also  questions regarding the technique that                                                               
will be used to  mark the crabs.  He pointed  out that coded wire                                                               
tags  are  used  to  mark  salmon;  however,  crabs  molt,  which                                                               
requires  a different  method.   He stated  that the  advances in                                                               
genetic research allow  the crabs to be tracked  back to parental                                                               
origin.  In the future, permits  will be needed to move shellfish                                                               
around the state.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:06:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX  asked if  there is  any reason  to believe                                                               
that the released crab would  behave differently than crabs would                                                               
normally behave in the wild.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:07:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. HETRICK  replied that he  suspects them to  behave similarly.                                                               
If  the  culture technique  is  successful,  the hatchery  has  a                                                               
series of experiments  to observe the behavior,  although this is                                                               
still an artificial environment.   He explained that the hatchery                                                               
is avoiding  the mortality  and cannibalism  that would  occur in                                                               
the wild.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   LEDOUX  pointed   out  that   these  crabs   are                                                               
genetically identical to crab that is raised in the wild.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. HETRICK agreed,  noting that the only difference  is that the                                                               
crab entered into an artificial facility.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:08:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EDGMON  inquired as  to  how  "cutting edge"  the                                                               
effort is, and whether this is being done elsewhere in the US.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. HETRICK  opined that it is  cutting edge.  There  is research                                                               
being done  world-wide.   Domestically, there has  been a  lot of                                                               
work  involving lobster  and blue  crab, and  the techniques  are                                                               
very  similar.   Russia has  a hatchery  manual that  the Alutiiq                                                               
Pride Shellfish  Hatchery is trying  to utilize.  He  stated that                                                               
Alaska  is "a  little behind."   The  everyday technology  of the                                                               
hatchery is  "pretty straightforward."   He surmised,  then, that                                                               
the key  is going  to be the  out-planting and  management, which                                                               
must be faced once the crabs are released.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON inquired  as to whether there is  a way to                                                               
utilize the  farming aspect  of enclosing  an area,  or a  way to                                                               
control the environment so that the raised crabs do not escape.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. HETRICK  replied that  Russia intends to  farm crab,  as does                                                               
South  America.   He described  a  method used  by the  Japanese,                                                               
which divides  the ocean floor  into regions.  These  regions are                                                               
then  managed  through  the  fisheries.     Once  the  crabs  are                                                               
released,  cannibalism  will  be   the  biggest  challenge.    He                                                               
questioned whether  they should be  released after this  stage is                                                               
over, when it  is assumed that the survival would  be higher.  He                                                               
stated that  he does not anticipate  holding them in any  type of                                                               
container,  and  said "I  think  once  they're released,  they're                                                               
released."                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:12:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HEATHER  MCCARTY,  Central  Bering  Sea  Fishermen's  Association                                                               
(CBSFA)  stated that  the CBSFA  was involved  in requesting  the                                                               
workshop held in March of 2006,  and is currently on the steering                                                               
committee.   She stated that  the Pribilof blue king  crab stocks                                                               
have  declined precipitously.   On  St. Paul  Island, one  of the                                                               
major economic forces is the crab  fishery.  The residents of the                                                               
island are  interested in learning  more about what  has happened                                                               
to  the  blue king  crab,  and  why  they  are not  thriving,  in                                                               
addition to whether  they can be rehabilitated.   She stated that                                                               
the CBSFA has  contributed a significant amount of  money to this                                                               
project,  one of  which was  the  cost of  collecting the  brood-                                                               
stock.  She offered thanks  for this program, and the possibility                                                               
of restoring these crab.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:14:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ARNI THOMSON,  Executive Director, Alaska Crab  Coalition, United                                                               
Fishermen  of  Alaska  (UFA),  stated  that  the  association  is                                                               
enthusiastic to see  this project go forward.  The  UFA letter of                                                               
record supports  the effort.   The project  does not  introduce a                                                               
new  species, and  this program  would  benefit communities  from                                                               
Southeast  Alaska to  Nome.   The king  and tanner  crab research                                                               
over the years  have been enlightening, and the  workshop held in                                                               
Kodiak was a continuation of  the education he gained through the                                                               
ASG program.   He  then referred  to page 15  of the  Alaska Crab                                                               
Stock Enhancement  and Rehabilitation  booklet, stating  that the                                                               
author of this article gave  a presentation at the aforementioned                                                               
workshop.  He explained that this is  a case study on how to grow                                                               
king crab in captivity, which  the Russians have been doing since                                                               
2000.     Referring  to  a  handout   entitled  "National  Marine                                                               
Fisheries Service  Fisheries Statistics and  Economics Division,"                                                               
he explained that this shows the  total imports of king crab into                                                               
the US.   He brought  attention to  the imports from  the Russian                                                               
Federation,  which  totaled  $277  million  worth  of  king  crab                                                               
imported into the US from Russia.   He explained that Russia took                                                               
crab  from the  Barents Sea  and introduced  them into  the North                                                               
Atlantic  Ocean.   Alaska is  competing  with this  on the  world                                                               
market.   Pointing  out that  Alaska's total  production of  king                                                               
crab for  the same year was  an estimated $65 million,  he opined                                                               
that Alaska needs to take a look  at this and do what needs to be                                                               
done to rejuvenate the depressed stocks.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:20:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOHNSON offered  his understanding  that in  1959                                                               
the  Russians "picked  up some  crab  and dropped  them into  the                                                               
ocean" without any resulting diseases or problems.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. THOMSON replied that there  is controversy regarding what has                                                               
been  done; however,  this  has  become a  "huge  cash crop"  for                                                               
Russia.   Norway and  Russia negotiate quotas  of the  king crab,                                                               
with Norway  taking a  smaller quota.   He  pointed out  that the                                                               
average  weight of  these  crabs  is 10  pounds,  which is  three                                                               
pounds larger than  Alaskan king crab.  He stated  that there has                                                               
been controversy in  the Norwegian sector, with both  pro and con                                                               
in  the Norwegian  parliament.    He explained  that  there is  a                                                               
policy of  eradication in some areas  and an IFQ fishery  in part                                                               
of the sector.  He agreed that  this species is not native to the                                                               
aforementioned area.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:21:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   LEDOUX   asked    for   clarification   of   the                                                               
aforementioned eradication policy.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THOMSON explained  that there  is a  line which  has an  IFQ                                                               
Fishery  on its  East,  and an  open  fishery on  the  West.   In                                                               
response  to an  additional  question, he  explained that  within                                                               
this  context,  "eradicate"  means   to  wipe  out  the  species,                                                               
recognizing that the species is invasive.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX asked what affect  the king crab has had on                                                               
the native species in the area.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  THOMSON  shared  his understanding  that  there  is  concern                                                               
regarding the  king crab  consuming large  amounts of  larvae, in                                                               
addition  to  getting  caught  in   fishing  nets,  which  causes                                                               
problems when the nets are brought back onto the boat.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:24:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Special  Committee on  Fisheries  meeting was  adjourned at  9:24                                                               
a.m.                                                                                                                            

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